Last Updated 01/19/2010...
My IRS ACS Collection Service Complaint! (pdf)
I will say that dealing with the IRS the last couple of year over my mothers tax problems brought on by her paying the Erie county and the horror show Manor Oak( closed down and IRS shit out of employee withholding money and owners being prosecuted) money that was discharged in bankruptcy in 1989 that they wanted because it was a loan made within 5 years of my grand mother going into the nursing home( f'in bush changed it from 2 years to 5 years where the government goes back and tries to get every penny someone going into a nursing home paid out to family members for any reason) The same Bancroft shyster lawyer (That quite frankly if I knew about it at the time! that's another story, I'd be in jail for the big M, actually I would have had my ma's bankruptcy lawyer contact them) knew that it was discharged in bankruptcy but strong armed my mother into paying 10k plus 9 k lawyers fees in a year and left her no money to pay her taxes from her retirement and short for years to come.
Dealing with the IRS
has been fairly pleasant
(really,
no lie actually they have been most forth right and pleasant and I didn't
mind talking to them), until now.
You see when someone gets their taxes discharged in bankruptcy they the IRS feel cheated like all their work in collecting that money was in vain even though by the time she was able to file bankruptcy she had paid more than what she originally owed back to the IRS.
So instead of just taking what they get and what the law allows they try to fudge it and instead of letting the last year go ending 12/31/2005( bankruptcy case was filed on 10/06/2008) as discharged like the other years they are going to try to collect that amount by using excuses even though it was filed on time and their was no fraud and my mother never agreed to any of the changes they made without a hearing that added 3k to the $253 she owed that year and paid after taxes where taken out. ( It turned out that the tax return software online, turbo tax didn't make it clear not to enter amounts you where paying to the IRS for previous tax years, so it took that amount and applied it to that tax year and if it didn't her withholding would have been 3k short plus interest and penalties).
So now since they feel like they have been cheated out of money by the bankruptcy system of their own government they feel free to ignore registered mail pointing out that the debt should be discharged and further they ignored that request for explanation( if they had a good explanation that I am missing I would let it die without argument) and elevated it to collections where some drone tries to pistol whip a payment agreement out of you, so we make a payment agreement, but under protest. ( The sad thing is my mother and me doesn't want to deal with this anymore, but myself I think the government should follow the rules they lay out for themselves and everyone else, so game on!).
Worse come to worst the bankruptcy case has to be reopened and the judge will rule on it and that's what the IRS is betting on a number that is small enough to be paid off at $100 a month but a number that if your have to open the bankruptcy case up again would be about the same as a lawyer, their also betting that she doesn't have the where if all to do it without a lawyer, everything's a f'in scam yet!
What happened I thought Obama wanted to change this in Wall street and main street, did he forget about government?
My IRS ACS Collection Service Complaint! (pdf) Complaint below:
Ignoring of inquiries sent by certified registered mail return receipt received by IRS on April 9th 2009 at PO Box 9019 Holtville NY 11742-9019(7008 3230 0002 2778 6382) gave wrong phone numbers and department to talk to. Argumentative, insincere and abusive and refused to get supervisor(730160)used bad con man telemarketing and bad collection methods and couldn't deal with loss of control of conversation. Refused to help resolve the problem and only demanded payments in full or installments when amount was discharged in bankruptcy, claimed ignorance. When asked for number of bankruptcy department given wrong number. Threatened to hang up and make wait for 39 minutes on next phone call same as this call. Only cared about getting blood out of rock and not addressing problem or transferring to someone that can help.( Denied being a outside collector for private company but sure sounded like an abusive control freak com woman type of one)! Why is their no way of asking for appeal or due process hearing online with a reference number because if the IRS is just going to ignore certified mail and act like they don't receive it. This has happened at least 5 times the last couple of years taxpayers need a alternative to the us postal system and IRS slight of hand!
01/19/2010
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